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One loot item per
lock? That doesn't sound very much, and what if there's more loot than players? |
| That's raids I'm afraid. Generally they don't
contain enough loot for everyone to walk away
with nice loot. Making sure that everyone gets a
maximum of one item per raid lock ensures that
everyone has the highest possible chance of
getting an item. It's a rule the Gnomes have
lived by for a long time, and it's served us
well. Of course, if we're lucky enough to
encounter a raid where there's loot coming out
of our ears, then once everyone has got
something everyone is eligible to receive loot
again. |
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It still sounds a
bit harsh to me... what if nobody else wants the loot? |
| If you've already won an
item, then something else drops which you'd
like, then the 'one item per lock' rule stops
you from taking it. However, if all of the other
players present don't want it, or indeed if it's
class-specific and only you can use it, then of
course you can take it. Again, this is a
rule that we've used for a long time, so no
change here. |
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1 point per boss? So
you think Thorog is as easy as Fruz, huh? |
| Of course some bosses are easier than
others, but who decides? Each class will
probably give a different opinion, depending on
their role in the fight. Besides, the
points only act as a mechanism for putting
people in to a list that represents the time and
effort they've spent in a particular raid.
Giving a different amount of points to different
bosses will only mean that the gap in points
between a successful group and a less successful
group will be artificially increased. |
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It says 'mains take priority'... what if I want my alt to take
priority? |
| As a kinship, we want to
make sure that main characters are equipped as
well as they can be to increase our chances of
taking on the toughest challenges that we've
become so good at :) Giving priority to
mains achieves this. It also removes the
frustration that is felt by a new raider who
takes their main in to an established group of
alts and never manages to get what they need.
In reality, we all want to equip our mains
first, so we'll generally be seeing runs that
are made up of all mains anyway. As time goes on
the alt runs tend to kick in once people have
got their mains fully equipped. In the
event that a player is actually asked to switch
to an alt for the good of the success of the
raid, then the points earned on that alt will be
awarded to the character they actually signed up
with if they want to(i.e. as if they had never been asked to
switch). |
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Why can't I keep passing on items I
don't have so that I can then take the loot from the last boss? |
| Mainly because the last item required to
complete the set won't even be reached for a
while. It takes time to learn a raid. If
everyone passed on the early items nothing would
get picked up. Also, if you manage to
acquire the last item first, then potentially
the earlier items could be collected very
quickly, leaving a temptation to withdraw from
the raid much earlier than you would normally
have done.
Of course we all want the sets as
quickly as possible, but this shouldn't be to
the detriment of the rest of the kin. This
system is designed to try to smooth out the rate
of acquiring loot, so that in theory, people who
raid roughly as much as each other will gain
their loot at roughly the same rate. |
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How does the price of loot items get
set? |
| Ideally, the
price of loot will be set so that the cost of an
item will equal the maximum amount of points
possible to be earned in a single run. Of
course, we don't know exactly how many items
will drop, so this won't always be the case
exactly. |
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Will the price of loot ever change? |
| Only if it is
considered to have been incorrectly set in the
first place. If the price is set correctly in
the first place, then there shouldn't be a need
for it to change again. |
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Nobody has been in to the new raids yet... how will they afford
items on the first run? |
| The first
time anybody signs up for a raid under this new
system, they will automatically be given enough
points to buy 1 item. This doesn't give anyone
any advantages as everyone will get given these
points. |
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I'm at the top of the list, but someone
below me got the loot! How can this be? |
| There are a number of
reasons this could happen... perhaps you're on
an alt and there are mains in the group who also
needed the item. Perhaps you already have the
item, or simply didn't want it. Maybe the item
was class specific. Maybe you'd already won an
item during that raid lock. |
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It says my points are safe. Who's keeping track of all this? |
| Bones (me, hello!) has created a system
which automatically calculates people's position
on the loot list, based on their status as main
or alt, and based on the total number of points
that have ever been earned in each raid and the
number that have been spent. The data will be
regularly updated on this site for everyone to
see.
If anyone is bored enough to want to know
anything about the actual application, it's just
an excel 2007 spreadsheet with a couple of
macros and a number of formulae. You'll see
screenshots of it here and there so you should
get a good idea of how the system is being
administered. The only margin for error is me
telling the system how many points you earned
and spent each week, but the results will always
be visible on this site, so you'll soon know ;) |
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I've got a big mortgage, credit cards... I can handle debt. So
why can't I go in to negative points? |
| Apart from the fact that negative points would
be an added complication, the whole concept of
the points system is that the loot you get is in
proportion to the amount of time you spend in
the raid. You can't borrow points from other
people, and you can't borrow them from the
system. If you don't have enough points to buy
an item, and absolutely nobody else in the raid
wants it, then you're lucky and you can have the
item for whatever few points you do actually
have. |
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I've earned a load
of points in the Rift and there's just nothing
left that I want. Why can't I spend them in
Helegrod? |
| If that's the case, the
system has served you very well if you've
managed to get everything you needed from a
particular raid :) You can't transfer your
points because not everyone who does Helegrod
does the Rift too, and this would give you an
unfair advantage over them. |
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My main is completely decked out in everything this raid has to
offer. Surely I can buy my alt a few goodies? |
| Sorry, but you can't
transfer points between alts and mains, friends,
grandmothers, etc. Points have to be spent on
the character you earned them on. The only
exception to this rule is when the raid leader
specifically asks someone to switch to an alt
for the good of the raid. |
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There's people with
loads more points than me... what's the point of
me joining the raid? |
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The first thing to realise is that this is quite probably a good thing. The
only way it should be possible for someone to have a lot of points is if
they've had nothing to spend them, and the only reason that should happen is
because they already have the items. In other words, just because you're
near the bottom of the list, you could well find that the people above you
already have the items you want, which will mean that they will become
available to you by default, regardless of how many points you have. |
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What was actually
wrong with the old system anyway? |
| One
of the main disadvantages of the old system was
that it often gave rise to situations where
people had tried for many, many months to get a
particular item, and never actually succeeded.
They came in time and time again, saw members of
their group get the item, watched newcomers join
and also get the item, but never managed to get
it for themselves. This is one of the main
problems associated with not having a fixed
group of players until everyone has the entire
set. Experience has taught us that getting a
truly fixed group of players is virtually
impossible (people get bored, stop playing,
etc).
This new system means there is no need for
a group to be fixed (although a regular steady
group is still ideal) - your time in all groups
contribute to your points, so there is no impact
of people leaving and joining raid groups, at
least as far as loot is concerned. The old
system also gave no recognition to the amount of
times people had raided before - every raid was
a fresh start for everyone. The new system does
indeed recognise time spent, as well as the
amount of loot received... if you don't receive
loot on a particular run, you still get the
satisfaction of knowing that as a result of
being there, you're that much closer to getting
it next time. |
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I
can rarely join a raid group for various
reasons.. surely I'm going to lose out? |
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Clearly, if you go raiding less than other
people, you're not going to get your loot as
quickly as they are. That's always been the
case, and always will be. The new system will
not make you more unlikely to get loot items.
You may find you have less points than regular
raiders, but chances are they will already have
the items you want anyway. You may even find
that you have more points than the regular
raiders, as they will be spending their points
far more often than you are!
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It
all sounds so complicated. I can't be bothered
to read and understand all this... |
| Well, you've made it this far! Seriously
though, the system is actually incredibly
simple, and all the hard work is being done for
you. It's one of those things that is just
complicated to explain, but actually very simple
in practice. There's no substitute for actually
trying the system and getting used to it. All
you need to know is that all your efforts are
being recorded for you, and nobody is going to
forget when it's your turn to receive an item.
The loot priority order will be available to
everyone before the raid begins. |
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So, our loot is effectively being handled by a
computer. Where's the human element? |
| This whole change has been brought about by your
opinions in the poll, discussions with members,
discussions amongst officers, and after
squeezing all of that information in to a
blender, this is what came out. If people
continue participating in raids in the same way
that the kin is used to (i.e. semi-fixed groups)
then really people shouldn't see a great deal of
difference in amount of loot they receive. At
the same time, those who go week-in, week-out
helping out other groups, etc will know that
when that shiny one-in-a-thousand item drops,
they'll have a better chance of getting it
(after all, they've earned it, and probably
haven't taken any other items for a long time,
in order to have made it to the top of the
list). At the end of the day though,
although I've tried to automate the system as
much as possible, we are the Gnomes, and common
sense, decency, comradeship and respect for our
fellow kinnies will prevail. |
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